Sunday, June 08, 2008

How liberal am I?

Good question. I might be taking back some of my most liberal positions regarding the JWs and LDS at bible.org, which were written a year or two ago. I know what they are and they are there on public display. I won't bother now with those.

Lou Martuneac left two comments on my post in May quoting Antonio da Rosa's parable, which depicts what has been called "the crossless gospel" or "redefined free grace theology."

There is a controversy brewing over the content of the gospel message, within the Free Grace movement.

I have been trying to decide for myself in years passed, what I ought to believe. I feel relieved that I found Free Grace. Unfortunately I don't fit quite right in with them either. I'm going to exercise the freedom to keep improving my understanding, and admitting when I've made a mistake.

So that you understand the controversy, let me give a couple quotes for reference:

Here is what the free grace fringe say themselves.... Da Rosa's comments (courtesy of being forewarned second-hand) are:

At the moment that a JW or a Mormon is convinced that Jesus Christ has given to them unrevokable [sic] eternal life when they believed on Him for it, I would consider such a one saved, REGARDLESS of their varied misconcetions [sic] and beliefs about Jesus.
{1}

And here is what the free grace mainstream say of the fringe.... This quote (below) is from Martuneac's post which assessed the crossless gospel (here).

Even conscious rejection of the Lord’s deity, in a personal evangelism setting, is viewed as something to be put on the back burner and left there. The GES believes issues like that are to be dealt with in a discipleship setting.


Both capture the concerns I myself take by being liberal.

I want to moderate it and blur this disagreement, using the truth found in God's Word. I don't think it's wise to take sides! Because all of them are used by God to cause the people to believe. If we think it has to be one or the other, we pit our minds and understandings against a portion of scripture. And that is never good!

To say that "the full gospel," meaning a three-fold understanding of Jesus' payment for our sins, deity and resurrection, are not part of the gospel that brings eternal life, as Da Rosa says and I have also said, may be going too far.

What did Paul preach, what did Paul teach? He preached a simple gospel of "Christ crucified" to Greeks and Jews, and reminded believers of the gospel already taught to them in 1 Cor. 15. But, Paul also taught that the righteousness of God is through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. Can we say that Paul had more than one way to express the gospel message? I think it needs to be explored.

What about Jesus' gospel? As for Jesus' statements of those who believe have eternal life, they cannot be wrong. Certainly Jesus would not have spoke such a sentence if the sentence stood incomplete.

Is there a scriptural reason why the gospel message can be, or maybe even should be, slightly variant? Has anyone pointed out yet that every time Jesus declared the gospel in scripture, it was always a little bit different in content? He even went so far to describe it in Mark (16:16) saying, "He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned." Somehow evangelicals have enough wisdom to realize that He's added baptism in here as an extra non-salvific component. Did we forget to apply the same wisdom to the rest? It was only fear of being wrong, fear of being found lacking, that caused some Christians to think that baptism was necessary. We had to stand out from them by pointing to the freedom we have by faith. Let's take that freedom the rest of the way for the same reason -- to keep evangelicals from living in fear, which is living according to laws or lists or rules. We are born of God, Spiritually!

The written code kills, but the Spirit gives life. Our praise is not from checking off a list but from God who sends the Spirit because of the condition of a believing heart toward Christ.

The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.

No one knows the thoughts of a man except that man himself.

A man is a Jew if he is one inwardly, and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. In the inward places a man is born again and even we cannot see it happen but we often find subsequent evidence of it having taken place.

Having believed, you were marked in Him with the Holy Spirit, a deposit guaranteeing the redemption of those who are God's possession. This is much more about the Holy Spirit than it is about eternal life. Or it is to my understanding, thinking of how God applies the covenant of His Son described in Ezekiel 36:25-29.

Consider this passage in which Jesus describes salvation in a very minimalist way:

On the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, "If anyone thirsts, let him come to me and drink. He who believes in me, as the Scriptures has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water." But this He spoke concerning the Spirit, whom those believing in Him would receive; for the Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified. Therefore many from the crowd, when they heard this saying, said, 'Truly this is the Prophet. Others said, "This is the Christ."
john 7:37-41

Salvation is a mysterious thing, is it not? That's because it is Spiritual, not something we can precisely measure with rules. We have some really basic rules as being conscious outsiders to this process. One ought to be able to tell a tree by its fruit. We ought to, and many times we can, but, God ultimately knows.

Free grace or no, anyone who goes around telling others "you personally are saved because of this scripture," speaks too quickly. We are saved because God "puts his Spirit within us." (ezekiel 36:27)

I think all of these versions, from a minimist's "he who believes has eternal life," to the mainstream's use of 1 cor. 15, are the gospel. Which one we use depends on our audience. Oftentimes we cannot know for sure what their spiritual need is, but God does.

To some, believing in more than just "Jesus gives eternal life," is legalism. Consider the pagan who has never even heard of an Abrahamic faith. They have so much to hear, nothing is inherent.

To others, not understanding the transaction of my sin for His righteousness, leaves the whole need for deliverance by a Savior, unmet. I and my kind like Da Rosa, must take note.

I do not think we need to be afraid to use by inspiration a "crossless gospel," though, because Jesus did. Only the Spiritual man can agree and understand Spiritual things, like what sin is. No one can say "Jesus is Lord," except by the Spirit, and as you can see above in John 7, once they heard Jesus proclaim an invitation to receive the Spirit, then subsequently ensued the discussion of his identity.

Do we not know what it means to be led by the Spirit into all truth? How far can we trust this? All the way to John 6:47?



{1} Antonio da Rosa, Free Grace Theology, Believe Christ’s Promise and You are Saved No Matter What Misconception You Hold, (May 2006).

6 comments:

Matthew Celestine said...

Some good thoughts there. I am glad you are examining this crucial issue.

Lou Martuneac said...

Michele:

One of my blog partners, in defense of the Gospel, compiled quotes from a GES advoacte of the Crossless gospel. These quotes represent just how heretical and extreme the men, (like Dyspraxic Fundamentalist above) who adopted the teachings of Zane Hodges have become.

I invite you to read this article to view the extremism of the Crossless gospel, which demonstrate why there can never be unity around this heresy.


LM

Sanctification said...

Hi Lou,

Let me paste the issue in that article you linked:

"Myers asked if a person believing the following list were really saved:

1. Jesus is God…i.e., He is fully divine.

2. Jesus is fully human, yet without sin. (Also, He was born of a virgin).

3. Jesus died on the cross and rose again from the dead three days later.

4. She is a sinner and needed Jesus to pay for her sin through His death on the cross so that she could gain His righteousness.

5. Simply by faith in Jesus, she has everlasting life which can never be lost.'

So far so good, but she also believed the following:


'6. Humans are 'divine like Jesus, but to a lesser degree' because we sin.

7. God is Allah, the same god the Muslims worship.

8. The Trinity is fiction…there is only one God.

9. The Koran is inspired by God and is on equal footing with the Bible. Since the two are in conflict on some teachings, neither can be taken literally.'

Antonio answered as follows: 'Yes. If she in fact believes #5 then she has done all that is theologically required for eternal life.'" (bold added)

Antonio da Rosa advocates the egregious heresy of syncretism*, one of the main obstacles for Christian missionaries worldwide."

I admit, reading the above list, no matter how liberal I might be, is always going to be heart-wrenching.

What I would like to ask, is this: While those beliefs above are heretical themselves, are we, when enduring something less than perfect and submissive ideas owned by a person, encouraging heresy?

Just like we love the sinner and hate the sin, we also can embrace the believer and lovingly correct the specific heretical misconceptions.

Can't we?

Michele

Lou Martuneac said...
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Lou Martuneac said...

Michele:

Thanks for the note.

The Bible contains clear, concise mandates on how the Christian is to deal with brethren who go off into, and become the prime instigators of heresy, such as Lordship Salvation and the GES’s Crossless gospel.

Please read Romans 16:17-18; 2 Thess. 3:6, 14-15; Titus 3:10-11.

There is no subjective decision to make. The mandated course of action is in the Bible. We choose either to obey what is there, or rebel against the Word of God.

You won’t win a popularity contest in these decisions, but you will have honored the Lord, which should always be our primary desire, no matter what the cost.


LM

Sanctification said...

Lou,

I want to thank you for continuing the dialogue. I admire your humility.

By mentioning 2 thess 3:6 are you suggesting that the years of formulation in the free grace movement, of its purpose and theology, were set well before Zane and others began to define and contradict what was already established? I wasn't there, so I don't know. But I had not gotten that impression of the series of events, at all.

Titus 3 speaks to some group of condemned men but doesn't prove who they are and are not in relation to free grace.

As for Romans, I just cannot fathom how you might ascertain among those who are holding a different interpretation of scripture, the attitudes by which they are compelled to distinguish themselves... as being divisive and serving the flesh.

In fact, being someone who is newly introduced to the knowledge that there is any significant heat within the free grace camp lines, makes me think that those making the heat are the ones who are divisive.

Can you give me some documentation over the development of the crossless gospel teachings? I think that would help me understand better why you share what you do.

Thank you, Michele

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